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Also please ³ ³ before I continue do not come into #Defacto asking us why we have ³ ³ decided to do it. I would like to take this time to thank all of the ³ ³ people who have helped us with Defacto (In no peticular order). ³ ³ ³ ³ Incarnate - More then you will ever know man ³ ³ ³ ³ Hurt - Okay Folks. Lemme just say one thing. If you are ever ³ ³ and I meen EVER in need of VGA art work done this guy ³ ³ is your man. He is INCREDIBLE. Thank you for all of ³ ³ your help. ³ ³ ³ ³ Mad Phantom - Alot of those VGA title screens where brilliant. ³ ³ ³ ³ Dee - Thank you for the time you put in. ³ ³ ³ ³ Kooper - Your warez listing kept us all upto date on what was ³ ³ released and when. Thank you very much man. ³ ³ ³ ³ oDogg^17 - See! We can get your name correct every once in ³ ³ awhile! =) ³ ³ ³ ³ AntiDope - Wish you would have gotten here sooner! ³ ³ ³ ³ NRunner - Hey this was originally your idea. ³ ³ ³ ³ T0k - You got us started out. You spent alot of time and ³ ³ effort on this magazine. Even after you left, you kept ³ ³ those interviews rolling in. ³ ³ ³ ³ 187 - Offering those early issues when all our bots all ³ ³ K-Lined :) ³ ³ ³ ³ CptPower - You coded a shell in a very short time. And keep on ³ ³ upgrading it. Sure it didn't work to well in ³ ³ Windows 95 but neither do alot of other DOS programs :) ³ ³ ³ ³ Internal ³ ³ Flames - Excellent ANSI. You would be one of the best in ³ ³ Eastern Europe. ³ ³ ³ ³ Sun - Thanks for keeping the FTP site going. ³ ³ ³ ³ Partizan - Thankd for managing the WWW page and the odd bot. ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ And to everybody else who in some way helped us out with what we where ³ ³ doing. ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ Well folks thats it. We thank you all for reading us and enjoying the ³ ³ work that we put out. We know it may not have been the easiest mag to ³ ³ read English wise but who gives a damn. We brought you the best news ³ ³ on the net that actually delt with something with the scene. Now also ³ ³ before you all go off and just exit this remmember to read the ³ ³ interviews that we do have! ³ ³ ³ ³ - QuaziModem Talks about what happened and how he thinks things ³ ³ turned out and why. ³ ³ ³ ³ - Dizzident has a talk with Stone about many things including ³ ³ Stealth, Masque and Motiv8. ³ ³ ³ ³ - Find out the truth about Quake from Piston. An Ex-RoR Senior ³ ³ who was still with RoR at the time of the quake release. ³ ³ ³ ³ - etc... ³ ³ ³ ³ Well thats it guys. Again thank you very Much and c-ya sooner then ³ ³ you might think! ³ ³ ³ ³ Entropy ³ ³ Ipggi ³ ³ Defacto Staff ³ ³ ³ ³ ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ³ ĄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄŁ ŚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄæ ³ ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ Interviewer(s) : Entropy ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ Interviewie(s) : QuaziModem ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ Subject : GODS, RCN Logs, What Really Happened. ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ Date Interviewed : June 25th, 1996 ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ³ ĄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ŚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄæ ³ ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Quazi about 2 weeks ago you decided to come back to ³ ³ the scene after a break of about 1 1/2 Years or so. ³ ³ Can you please tell me some of your reasons why you ³ ³ decided to rejoin the scene after such a long time of ³ ³ more or less just watching over it? ³ ³ ³ ³ QuaziModem : I really never had any intention to come back to the ³ ³ scene... Actually, I was trying to hop group channels ³ ³ in hopes to "chit chat" with some old friends to see ³ ³ what's been goin' on the scene lately. Came across ³ ³ some ppl, half of 'em I didn't even recognize. :) ³ ³ Although, my interests in coming back to the scene was ³ ³ sparked by David&Goliath and Prophet. They actually ³ ³ found me :) Two of the last ppl, I've got to know ³ ³ before I "quit" the scene... ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Did they try and convinve you to start Gods back up or ³ ³ something else? What sparked the idea to re-instate ³ ³ gods into the Scene? ³ ³ ³ ³ QuaziModem : Well, D&G was the one that approached me about that. ³ ³ He, and I believe some others possibly, had already ³ ³ started getting things rollin' for the revival of GODS. ³ ³ Everything sounding very exciting :) Hehe... I wanted ³ ³ in. Figured, what the hell, it probably would be a ³ ³ good chance to figure out what has changed the past ³ ³ couple of years in the scene. ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : So God was something that sounded fun to you so you ³ ³ decided to just do it? Where you serious into the group ³ ³ or more just something to kill the time and find out ³ ³ what has changed in a couple of years? ³ ³ ³ ³ QuaziModem : Well I WAS serious about it.... but I wasn't about ³ ³ ready to go 100% into it. I worked for a living. :) ³ ³ And depending on how much I'm needed... I was going to ³ ³ allocate my time acordingly. I just ran into D&G about ³ ³ a little less than a week before GODS was gonna make ³ ³ it's presence in the scene again. And I didn't have ³ ³ the opportunity to really get clued in on what's been ³ ³ going on... the set up of the group... etc. I was ³ ³ really in the dark... a ...my attitude was a bit on ³ ³ the "lighter side". :) I mean, my head was already ³ ³ spinning with all the new and old ppl that I was ³ ³ trying to keep up with and make friends with...! :) ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Recently RCN published a log file from what looked like ³ ³ your first meeting log. Now knowing what RCN does to ³ ³ log files can you tell me exactly (Without going into ³ ³ everything) what happened in your first meeting? Do you ³ ³ consider it a succes and a good step in the right ³ ³ direction so to speak? ³ ³ ³ ³ QuaziModem : Well... first of all, I think it was really lame to ³ ³ have something like that published. That should have ³ ³ never gotten out in the first place. It was a PRIVATE ³ ³ meeting for GODS members only! I mean, hell, it'd be ³ ³ like someone recording a "company" meeting or something ³ ³ and have it broadcasted on TV or the papers! Totally ³ ³ unethical! Alot of ppl in the GODS council were pretty ³ ³ PO'ed about that. As far as the progress of the ³ ³ meeting... I would hafta say that only 5% of the ppl ³ ³ in that meeting, I knew before. The majority I didn't ³ ³ have a clue who they were and what they did. I was a ³ ³ bit of a "zoo"... :) I was frustratrated a bit ³ ³ about the progress of the meeting... But I felt I wasn't ³ ³ in any position to say/do much about it. I didn't ³ ³ realize how much of a force GODS would've been after ³ ³ learning (later) who these ppl were and what they did. ³ ³ If we had just had more time to organize this alot ³ ³ better. ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Yet again in another RCN release they displayed yet ³ ³ another LOG file dealing with Gods. This one showed you ³ ³ more or less kicking somebody out of the channel and ³ ³ then a fight erupting so to speak. Now seeing as ³ ³ this was only part of what was going on can you tell me ³ ³ what exactly happened that night to clear some things ³ ³ up? ³ ³ ³ ³ QuaziModem : Manowar was msging me about stuff in general... then ³ ³ had told me that he had a problem with someone in GODS ³ ³ putting him down and saying that he didn't belong in ³ ³ the group. He was referring to gaHn. I was fuckin' ³ ³ around that day... :) Just popping my head in to ³ ³ see what was new... So I in the channel I typed... ³ ³ "hey gaHn, are you being a dumbass??? :)" notice the ³ ³ ":)" after my sentence... as I was saying.. I was just ³ ³ screwing around... I guess... and I'll admit to this.. ³ ³ playing with "power" But my intentions was NOT to fuck ³ ³ with anyone.. just trying to make sure everyone got ³ ³ along. Oh how wrong I was .. :) gahn msged me on the ³ ³ channel saying... ³ ³ "Quazimodem, why are you asking me that??? What do you ³ ³ mean "am I being a dumbass"???". See.. this is where ³ ³ things were fucked up. He was repeating that ³ ³ statement several times and my script "interprets" that ³ ³ as a channel flood and it kicked him out. I was going ³ ³ to msg him in private about that.. but I didn't get ³ ³ the chance to. Then chaos happened... ³ ³ During this time, slain was talking to me. Slain told ³ ³ ppl that he was going to quit gods. And in our chat ³ ³ together he gave me the reason. Although, AGAIN, ppl ³ ³ mistook it the wrong way and I was accused of screwing ³ ³ over gahn AND Erupt and being the cause for Slain ³ ³ leaving GODS. A ridiculous mess. :) Erupt msged me ³ ³ saying "Quazimodem, I don't give a fuck who you are, ³ ³ don't fuckin' kick gahn" My reaction to that was ³ ³ 1) I didn't blatently kick him out... ³ ³ 2) I reacted (ego-trip here) and replied back, to ³ ³ Erupt saying "and I don't give a fuck who YOU are" ³ ³ hehe... ³ ³ Like I said, I didn't really have any intentions to ³ ³ fuck with ppl. I just reacted to something that I felt ³ ³ I didn't intentionally cause. ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Do you feal that by posting the logs in RCN it made ³ ³ things worse off for Gods and yourself? Or at that ³ ³ point had Gods already pretty much disbanded? ³ ³ ³ ³ QuaziModem : The publication of the GODS group meeting in RCN was a ³ ³ blow to the group no doubt about it. I dunno what their ³ ³ deal was but they could have had more respect for ³ ³ themselves and the scene for posting that. It really ³ ³ discouraged me to see all that. Didn't give a good ³ ³ "image" of GODS to see such "organization" for our ³ ³ first "group" meeting. It pissed me off to see crap like ³ ³ that about me published... I felt like I was victimized ³ ³ a bit :) Seemed to me that RCN was very biased and very ³ ³ unprofessional anyway. You can see that in how they ³ ³ asked their questions. They didn't even bother to ask ³ ³ for my input in that mess. Anyway, I'd hafta say, after ³ ³ that day, things were going downhill for GODS. ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Can you tell us a bit about what is happening now? ³ ³ Understand that Amnesia has again reformed because of ³ ³ this. Infact they have even said that they where ³ ³ planning to split away anyway. But none the less. Can ³ ³ you tell us a bit about what happened after this? ³ ³ ³ ³ QuaziModem : Well... personally, I felt GODS was too big.... and ³ ³ there was no control. I know I didn't help much. ³ ³ People were demoted and were unhappy about it... there ³ ³ obviously was alot of "fighting" going on... so that ³ ³ didn't help much. I guess they'd figured that they'd ³ ³ be better off in Amnesia.... Again... all this was very ³ ³ vague to me so what I'm telling you now was what *I* was ³ ³ told. ³ ³ --> QuaziModm shrugs shoulders.... ³ ³ go figure.. ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Well Quazi after this can you tell me any of your plans ³ ³ for the future? ³ ³ ³ ³ QuaziModem : Well, I'm definately going to stick around and see ³ ³ what options I have out there. And work to see how I ³ ³ can help some friends a bit. ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Well Thank you very much for your time. Is there ³ ³ anything else you would like to say before we part? ³ ³ ³ ³ QuaziModem : I just want to give up props to those ppl to whom I may ³ ³ have offended... I just wish things could have been ³ ³ different. ³ ³ ³ ³ ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ³ ĄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄŁ ŚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄæ ³ ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ Interviewer(s) : Ipggi ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ Interviewie(s) : Piston ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ Subject : The Fake Quake ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ Date Interviewed : June 22nd, 1996 ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ³ ĄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄŁ ŚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄæ ³ ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Welcome Piston, can you tell the readers what positions ³ ³ and affils you currently hold ? ³ ³ ³ ³ Piston : As of right now I am with Mortality & Rapier. I am ³ ³ currently err.. "working" my way into a new games ³ ³ group :) In mortality I supply various things & ³ ³ courier. Same With Rapier ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : You were not so long ago in RoR, where you not? And ³ ³ once held a fairly high posistion in the group. Can you ³ ³ tell us why you are no longer associated with RoR? ³ ³ ³ ³ Piston : Well. Basically what happened is a while ago I had too ³ ³ choose between two game groups. I had known tklp for a ³ ³ while then. Althuogh the other gaming group obviosuly ³ ³ had more "respect" in the scene, I decided to go with ³ ³ ROR and see if I could help them out. So tklp gave me a ³ ³ senior staff position. (I had known him long before that) ³ ³ So. obviously ROR's rep was not the best it could have ³ ³ been. So we made a connetion at ID software. (that was ³ ³ why tklp was saying he would have quake before every one ³ ³ else) We were expecting to get quake from them, but the ³ ³ other day some supplier came along claiming he had quake ³ ³ final. So tklp downloded it and tested it out. He found ³ ³ it it had all the levels. BUT it was NOT the final ³ ³ release. So he packaged it up and gave it to a cracker ³ ³ to clean it up, take out every thing that says beta, all ³ ³ the GFX that say beta etc and anything else. Aside from ³ ³ that some other things in the past combined w/it just ³ ³ ticked me off and so I just resigned. ³ ³ ³ ³ BTW: we still have that connection at ID. And i think he ³ ³ is still taking advantage of it trying to get the *REAL* ³ ³ final. ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : So tklp deliberatly faked and duped a big release like ³ ³ Quake. Surely this is an extremily stupid thing to do ³ ³ especially when you are trying to increase the ³ ³ reputation of a group, no to stuff it up totally. So now ³ ³ that you have left, who has the connection to ID, ³ ³ yourself or tklp? ³ ³ ³ ³ Piston : Well, he did not deliberatley fake & dupe it. He had no ³ ³ knowledge about the current beta 3 floating around. As ³ ³ far as the connection to ID. It was my idea on how to get ³ ³ it, I told him how to make it work, but he did all the ³ ³ dirty work, ect. ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : But he still, i quote "So he packaged it up and gave it ³ ³ to a cracked to clean it up. take out every thing that ³ ³ says beta, all the GFX that say beta. and anything else." ³ ³ then released it as QUAKE *FINAL*. ³ ³ ³ ³ Piston : Yes. ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Then he must have knew there where beta's floating around ³ ³ that where the same as his release? ³ ³ ³ ³ Piston : No, he had no knowledge of it, he thought the only ³ ³ version out was the SW version. So he figured he could ³ ³ get a way with souping up the "full level" beta. ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Do you think this was right of him ? I mean he still ³ ³ technically knew he was releasing a fake. ³ ³ ³ ³ Piston : Well, you have to look at it from 2 different views ... ³ ³ On one. Theres the fact hey, what a lamer, he is ³ ³ releasing a 100% dupe. On the other. Cool! Quake! All 4 ³ ³ levels of it available to the public :) So.. in my ³ ³ personal opinion, no I don't think it was right. I think ³ ³ it was lame and I don't see how in the world he thought ³ ³ he could have gotten away with it. ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Can you tell us anything about this 'new games group' you ³ ³ where hinting to before ? ³ ³ ³ ³ Piston : Ermm.. Well, most people who know the groups I was ³ ³ deciding between before will know, it was obviously not ³ ³ RoR :) ³ ³ ³ ³ Piston : So. It had to be the other one. ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Do you have any grudges against tklp or RoR ? ³ ³ ³ ³ Piston : No. not really, I don't hold grudges. Unless its something ³ ³ MAJOR that personally effected me. ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Any final words or greets before we go ? ³ ³ ³ ³ Piston : Ermm... just one ... Look at it this way, if RoR cleaned ³ ³ up its act, and had the same rep as a prestigious group ³ ³ like .. razor, then they could probly go some where ³ ³ because they do have some decent suppliers, and a nice ³ ³ cracking team. Unfortunatley , their suppliers have not ³ ³ been too active lateley :) ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Ok thanks for your time and the best of luck. ³ ³ ³ ³ Piston : NP. Thanks. ³ ³ ³ ³ ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ³ ĄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄŁ ŚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄæ ³ ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ Interviewer(s) : Dizzident ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ Interviewie(s) : Stone ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ Subject : Stealth, Masque, and Motiv8. ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ Date Interviewed : June 18th, 1996 ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ³ ĄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄŁ ŚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄæ ³ ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Can you tell our readers what groups you are in ? ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ Stone : I'm a courier for Stealth and I co-founded Masque with ³ ³ Winterhawk, tpct and spindoc. The later two partially ³ ³ left the scene, so I run masque with winterhawk now... ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : How is Masque doing lately ? ³ ³ ³ ³ Stone : Masque is always doing ups and downs, depending on when ³ ³ we have the time to put in the hours it takes. During ³ ³ the past week we had 5 releases so right now pretty ³ ³ good.. :) ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Great, love to hear that.. So you say that MSQ is a fun ³ ³ based group, when you all have the time, you release ? ³ ³ ³ ³ Stone : Very true. MSQ is based purely on friendship, releasing ³ ³ is like a side bonus.. ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Well.. with what motivation you started masque ? I mean, ³ ³ you where tired of the way motiv8 was lead by Mason, so ³ ³ you and winterhawk wanted to start a Courier/Release ³ ³ group yourself ? ³ ³ ³ ³ Stone : Well.. we we're not in agreement with mason on how to ³ ³ run Motiv8. So me and Winterhawk decieded that it would ³ ³ be better for Motiv8 and us if we went our seperate ³ ³ ways. We picked up spindoc and tpct and together the ³ ³ four of us we founded masque as a courier and release ³ ³ group. We stopped couriering pretty fast though. ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Why ? There are alot of great couriers in Msq. ³ ³ ³ ³ Stone : We wanted to focus on releasing, and the many excellent ³ ³ couriers we were/are was tied up in a lot of different ³ ³ courier groups. Risc, malice, dgt, master, tct. You name ³ ³ a courier group that has been large with in the last ³ ³ year, chances are that atleast one of their members has ³ ³ been masque too.. ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Well. I am alot on #masque, and when i am, i always ³ ³ see the same ppl, it seems like one big family, i like ³ ³ that. What kinda qualities must one have to apply for ³ ³ masque ? ³ ³ ³ ³ Stone : We are a big happy family :).. And the single most ³ ³ important quality we check before accepting an apply ³ ³ to our group is weather the applying person fits into ³ ³ our family. Secondary is the usual criteria of ³ ³ courier/supply/crack/whatever capabillity. ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Well, you are along time involved in the so called ³ ³ scene, what you think has changed alot in the time you ³ ³ are in it ? ³ ³ ³ ³ Stone : Well.. most things have changed, the speed, from mail ³ ³ to 300 bps to isdn and now internet. The size - there ³ ³ are *MANY* ppl. in the scene nowadays. The releases ³ ³ them selves, from a few releases per disk up to 100 ³ ³ disks. One thing that remains - unfortunately - is ³ ³ oversized egos. I guess they are the one thing about ³ ³ the scene that will never change! ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : I agree yes, another thing i see, is that the people ³ ³ arent loyal anymore, i really hate that, leave a group ³ ³ that made you big, i see it alot, what you think about ³ ³ it ? ³ ³ ³ ³ Stone : Well.. i guess you really hate my manners then... I left ³ ³ the group that made me somebody (giving me access to ³ ³ sites so i had somewhere to start). I always viewed ³ ³ it like this: groups are made of ppl. i'm loyal to ppl. ³ ³ not to whatever name they deciede to gather under. ³ ³ But you're right loyalty is in short stock, but it has ³ ³ always been, the net and the higher pace here made it ³ ³ worse though. ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Nah, you left M8, cause you didnt agree with mason ³ ³ policy's.. Thats a good reason i think..But another ³ ³ thing, Stealth is supposed to be a real fine group, ³ ³ what you think so far ? ³ ³ ³ ³ Stone : Stealth is a real fine group, real friendly ppl. making ³ ³ it a pleasant group to be in. And we're really doing ³ ³ fine.. I think we got plenty of potential for doing even ³ ³ better than we already are, and i'm sure we'll make use ³ ³ of it! ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Glad to hear that.. What competition will stealth have ³ ³ now, since so many groups are doing real bad ? ³ ³ ³ ³ Stone : Well.. there is plenty of competition from other ³ ³ couriers, gods, Risc,everlast has some rather good ³ ³ crews.. Many smaller groups will also try to compete ³ ³ as always.. ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Dont you think there are way to many courier groups ? It ³ ³ looks like that each week a new courier group is ³ ³ founded.. ³ ³ ³ ³ Stone : Well.. yes and no.. I don't see the great number of ³ ³ courier groups as a problem most of them just hang ³ ³ around minding their own business. However the rate ³ ³ wich old groups dies and new groups form is alarming it ³ ³ makes the scene an even more unstable environment that ³ ³ it already is. You learn what the old groups stand for, ³ ³ but you never get a clear picture of the new groups - ³ ³ they simply die to fast! ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : I agree.. Thats why I remain in the groups that i am in, ³ ³ I am not saying that it is the best to do.. but hell.. ³ ³ Now something about you, what do you do in Masque ? ³ ³ ³ ³ Stone : I do a little of everything in masque, courier a little, ³ ³ I supply, I crack and spend sometime on management.. ³ ³ Only thing i don't do is channel and site management ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : What do you think about the quality of some of the releases ³ ³ spread by various groups ? ³ ³ ³ ³ Stone : It has never been lower.. font packages and clip art is ³ ³ getting released and spread, templates to winword, ³ ³ ancient shit, chinese and other foreign stuff (I don't ³ ³ mind releasing foreign stuff, but why do we have to ³ ³ courier german stuff in e.g. canada?). Unfortunately ³ ³ there is not much to do about it, except nuke the crap on ³ ³ the sites. Infact it's gone way overboard when groups ³ ³ that repeatedly released the worst kinda crap get's a ³ ³ fairly respected courier group as official couriers. ³ ³ Damnit ppl. wake up and thing about what you're ³ ³ releasing!!! Not to mention thing about what you're ³ ³ couriering... ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : I know what you mean, I had 3 viruses in 1 zip file.. ³ ³ ³ ³ Stone : Ouch.. I found a board-add that contains virii.. ³ ³ image every file that goes thru that board is ³ ³ automatically infected. Virii is a major problem - it ³ ³ takes only a few minutes to mod a virii so that no ³ ³ virusscanner will find it. And only a few hours to make ³ ³ one from rock-bottom. Unfortunately we cannot do much ³ ³ about it - i guess most the virii you find in releases ³ ³ are not put there with a malicious intent, but thru ³ ³ the misfortune of the packer. ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : I dont know alot of packaging a file, but cant they do ³ ³ it, and then check the file for any infected files ? ³ ³ ³ ³ Stone : Well that is of course an option - and some do. But it's ³ ³ not *THE* solution to the virii problem. Many of the ³ ³ virii out there are unknown to scanners, so are hiding ³ ³ in packaged .exe's and scanning takes times. The last ³ ³ part is a major obstacle since most ppl. in the scene are ³ ³ lazy :> ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : I think the scene is more rushed now also.. I mean, it ³ ³ seems sometimes a release group even can't take his time ³ ³ to release a program, mostly it results in a update the ³ ³ next day.. Like Grand Prix 2.. still havent heard anyone ³ ³ that actualy get the game to work, i think that is very ³ ³ bad, especialy when it is released by a 'new' group.. ³ ³ Dont you agree ? ³ ³ ³ ³ Stone : It's definately more rushed! Ppl. hurry to release shit ³ ³ and never stops to test it. Especially with cd-rips ³ ³ this results in major fuckups. It's better not to release ³ ³ that to make a fuckup. Of coz it's not always easy to get ³ ³ a rip to work 100% a file might be missing half way thru ³ ³ the game, you might remove something that will make it ³ ³ unable to run on certain graphics adaptors and so on. ³ ³ Problems that will not show up in a test. All too often ³ ³ it happens that a game or a util is not tested at all. ³ ³ But I don't think it's worse when a new group fucks up. ³ ³ Actually i think it's worse when a established group ³ ³ that is famous for it's quality fuckups. All we got as ³ ³ a guide when we choose to download is the groups ³ ³ previous history of releases, therefore we're likely ³ ³ to choose old established groups releases to download ³ ³ because the are usually more dependable that a small ³ ³ bunch of lamers hitting the jackpot with a game or util. ³ ³ So when they fuck up it does more damage then when ³ ³ LamersInc. fucks up. ³ ³ ³ ³ Defacto : Well, we can talk about this for many more hours.. I like ³ ³ to thank you for this interview, is there anything you ³ ³ would like to say, or tell our readers ? ³ ³ ³ ³ Stone : Remember to have fun - fun is the way of the scene! ³ ³ ³ ³ ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ³ ĄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄŁ ŚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄæ ³ ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ³ ³ Software Previews ³ ³ ³ ³ X-COM: Apocalypse . Microprose . Late 1996 ³ ³ ³ ³ Well i've been waiting for this one for a long time now but ³ ³ yet it has been delayed again. The two prequals where some of ³ ³ my all time favorate games and this 3rd installment in the ³ ³ series should be brilliant. The player now can select weather ³ ³ you want the traditional turn base movement or for you brainless ³ ³ trigger-happy arcade freaks there is a Syndicate like real-time ³ ³ mode. Your mission like the ones before is to save humankind ³ ³ from the lastest alien threat. Weather this will be the final ³ ³ installment in the series is yet to be seen, but if previous ³ ³ X-COM *cough* sales are anything to go by this wont be the last. ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ X-Wing vs TIE Fighter . LucasArts . Late 1996/Early 1997 ³ ³ ³ ³ This is the first I have heard of this one but it was previewed ³ ³ at the E3 LA expo last month. It seems LucasArts will be cashing ³ ³ in on the StarWars RE-Releases coming in in early 1997 (watch ³ ³ Independance Day for a trailer). Well finally we get the ³ ³ opertunity to fight for either the Rebels or the Empire. You can ³ ³ fly any ship from a large range of starfighters from both sides. ³ ³ The most important improvement I feel though is now at long last ³ ³ Multiplayer mode is now supported. Upto 8 people networked can ³ ³ have head to head battles or all fly on the same squadron. ³ ³ But don't dispair because you people with no friends can still ³ ³ have some fun. Single-player mode offers a few Rebel and Empire ³ ³ missions that can also be used for the multiplayer games. This ³ ³ should be the ultimate StarWars yet. Now all we need is an ³ ³ official Virtual Real. Star Wars :) ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ Jedi Knight: Dark Forces 2 . Lucas Arts . Early 1997 ³ ³ ³ ³ Well another Star Wars release from the famous LucasArts crew. ³ ³ This time it's Doom/Quake/Duke (whatever) crossed with Star ³ ³ Wars. Alot of people where not too happy with the original, ³ ³ some didn't like the fact there where no mutliplayer support, ³ ³ others wanted lightsabers (you freaks) and others didn't like ³ ³ how you couldn't "use the force" (you freakier freaks). Well ³ ³ your preys have been answered. Jedi Knight supports ³ ³ multiplayer mode, lets you embrace the force and yes you can ³ ³ battle the empire with your glow stick. Infact LucasArts are ³ ³ claiming you can do everything Luke Skywalker did in the movies. ³ ³ Star Wars meets Quake ? I hope not. Star Wars meets Duke 3D ? ³ ³ Now that would be cool. ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ QAD . Philips Media . Late 1996 ³ ³ ³ ³ QAD or Quintessential Art of Destruction, it's complete title ³ ³ is 1996 (or 1997 if it's delayed) version of Defender. That ³ ³ once very popular arcade shoot-em'up that only old farts will ³ ³ remember :) Well anyway this uses a real-time 3D fractual ³ ³ engine to creat a stunning and brilliant virtual world. ³ ³ QAD features 3D sprites, power-ups, fuel, booby-traps and ³ ³ plenty of aliens .. How very 16bit consoled ?? Well this could ³ ³ become something special .. then again maybe not. ³ ³ ³ ³ ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ³ ĄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄŁ ŚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄæ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ The Economics of Developing & Manufacturing Software ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ By Seven ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ĄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄŁ ŚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄæ ³ ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ³ ³ ³ ³ Ahh yes, the age old pirating question. Why do we pirate? ³ ³ Is it because of greedy corporations raising up prices to such a ³ ³ phenomenal level that we cannot afford it or just for the fun of it? ³ ³ ³ ³ Many people use the former as an excuse to pirate. Hell, if you ³ ³ think about it, the cost of labor and manufacturing the final product is ³ ³ quite cheap when it comes to software. It may only cost $5 in parts ³ ³ and labor to create a CD-ROM software title, so why the bloated price-tag? ³ ³ ³ ³ Well you have to look at the economics of developing the software. ³ ³ Take Windows Network (NT) for example. If you were to factor in research ³ ³ costs, the production of the first copy of Windows NT might cost around ³ ³ $100 million dollars, while each copy made after that is essentially free. ³ ³ ³ ³ Old-fashioned economics state that companies ONLY charge for a ³ ³ product exactly what it costed to manufacture the last unit. But rather ³ ³ with modern technology, research and such costs must be taken into ³ ³ consideration in order for that company to turn a profit. ³ ³ ³ ³ If Microsoft sold each copy of Windows NT for the exact price it ³ ³ cost to manufacture the last unit, the company would turn no profit in ³ ³ any way, shape or form. Such industries as software, which have huge ³ ³ research budjets and low production costs must charge more for their goods ³ ³ than it cost to produce the last unit. ³ ³ ³ ³ As economist Paul Romer put it, "If you forced anyone in the world ³ ³ of ideas (ie: software) to sell their product at the cost of producing the ³ ³ last unit, they'd go bankrupt." ³ ³ ³ ³ As we Americans (assuming that most of Defactos readers ARE ³ ³ American, or living in a modern 1st world country) live in capitalist ³ ³ society's, such 'monopolies' as Microsoft are needed for the economy due ³ ³ to such large research costs. A small mom-and-pop business would not have ³ ³ the funding for market entry, thus monopolies are needed. ³ ³ ³ ³ So the next time you argue about the ethics of pirating software, ³ ³ remember that the costs are only set in relation to the researching funds, ³ ³ and that you do this for the FUN of it. Remember: we are all criminals, ³ ³ despite what you may think or say, none of us are "Robin Hood's" out to ³ ³ steal from the rich and give to the poor. ³ ³ ³ ³ ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ³ ĄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄŁ DEFACTO MEMBER LISTING AS OF [9th June 1996] Main Editor : *IPggi General Organiser : *Entropy Art & Coding Organiser : *Tyger Coder : Captain Power Ansi artists : Flexor Infernal Flames VGA artist : Mad Phantom Writers : Dizzident Fib-Boy Nightpot TOK Trite Trial Writers : Dee Warez Listing : Kooper Util/Apps Review : wanted - apply within #DeFacto The Game Review : Ionizer NFO Organiser : Temparily oDogg^2 Spell Checker : INQ IRC Bot Offerers : 187 oDogg^2 FTP Organiser : Sun Web Page Organiser : Partizan Thank you all...